Comments on: celebrate the residue http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/ theophile | bibliophile | technophile Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:56:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-27 john Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:15:54 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-27 PD, Thanks for the comments and the link. I made a quick visit, but I'll have to drop by there when I have more time to give to it! PD,
Thanks for the comments and the link. I made a quick visit, but I’ll have to drop by there when I have more time to give to it!

]]> By: pastor draven http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-26 pastor draven Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:30:36 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-26 Back on subject... I find it interesting, if not downright scarey, how mainstream Christianity has been so quick to call any of God's creation evil, rather than only the spiritual influences and choices that miss the mark. To be able to see the hand of God in all of creation seems to be our own rescue. Therein being able to call God out of the depths of others, and truly give them the good news of redemption; calling out there gifts, and helping them become the unique soul who they were created to be. --something very hard to sum up in a few words. Back on subject… I find it interesting, if not downright scarey, how mainstream Christianity has been so quick to call any of God’s creation evil, rather than only the spiritual influences and choices that miss the mark. To be able to see the hand of God in all of creation seems to be our own rescue. Therein being able to call God out of the depths of others, and truly give them the good news of redemption; calling out there gifts, and helping them become the unique soul who they were created to be. –something very hard to sum up in a few words.

]]> By: pastor draven http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-25 pastor draven Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:29:42 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-25 Good post, John. It reminds me a bit of one of Elizabeth O'Connor's books - Journey Inward, Journey Outward. A great read from the 60's, and surprisingly very relevant to us now. I have yet to find Tom Wright anything short of inspiring. I think you might also enjoy the studies at www.tektonics.org - which take a historical, 1st-century approach to scripture. James is also very well read, and seems to also thoroughly enjoy NT Wright. Good post, John. It reminds me a bit of one of Elizabeth O’Connor’s books - Journey Inward, Journey Outward. A great read from the 60’s, and surprisingly very relevant to us now.

I have yet to find Tom Wright anything short of inspiring. I think you might also enjoy the studies at http://www.tektonics.org - which take a historical, 1st-century approach to scripture. James is also very well read, and seems to also thoroughly enjoy NT Wright.

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-24 john Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:26:57 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-24 Yes...somehow we have to love people where they are at, but at the same time, love them enough to help become who God designed them to be. Yes…somehow we have to love people where they are at, but at the same time, love them enough to help become who God designed them to be.

]]> By: nash http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-23 nash Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:25:58 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-23 This may sound simplistic...but I think what this all boils down to is that people need to be loved and valued for who they are and where they are...realizing that God has special love and concern for each person. Of all the fustrations with the Church that I have had, that you've read about John, I have to say that a majority of them have grown out of the fact that people are not loved and cared for in this way. More often, from what I can see, they are loved and valued for who they can eventually become through a variety of programs. This may sound simplistic…but I think what this all boils down to is that people need to be loved and valued for who they are and where they are…realizing that God has special love and concern for each person.

Of all the fustrations with the Church that I have had, that you’ve read about John, I have to say that a majority of them have grown out of the fact that people are not loved and cared for in this way. More often, from what I can see, they are loved and valued for who they can eventually become through a variety of programs.

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-22 john Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:25:03 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-22 Thanks Dean, I think this might be a threatening notion, because it is somewhat contrary to the process of how the 4 Spiritual Laws and similar strategies work. But at the same time, it makes tons of sense to me. Thanks Dean,
I think this might be a threatening notion, because it is somewhat contrary to the process of how the 4 Spiritual Laws and similar strategies work. But at the same time, it makes tons of sense to me.

]]> By: dean http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/08/15/celebrate-the-residue/#comment-21 dean Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:24:07 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=18#comment-21 John, phenomenal thoughts!Perhaps that is a key to evangelism that the church has lost. We look at people's lostness rather than the "residue". We obviously need to understand our lostness, but if we saw a glimpse of God in everyone, it would change how we see and relate to people. John, phenomenal thoughts!Perhaps that is a key to evangelism that the church has lost. We look at people’s lostness rather than the “residue”. We obviously need to understand our lostness, but if we saw a glimpse of God in everyone, it would change how we see and relate to people.

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