Comments on: what does church look like? part five http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/ live, from austin: theology, webdesign and other stuff Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:50:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Brewster http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-474 Brewster Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:37:35 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-474 This article on postmodernism and romanticism is very interesting. http://www.theooze.com/articles/article.cfm?id=929 This article on postmodernism and romanticism is very interesting.

http://www.theooze.com/articles/article.cfm?id=929

]]> By: subvergence http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-318 subvergence Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:28:59 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-318 <strong>what does church look like? part six</strong> Found some great thoughts in The Gospel in a Pluralist Society. I think this quote says what I was trying to say here -- it just happens to say it a lot more clearly: In discussions about the contemporary mission of the Church it is often said that th... what does church look like? part six
Found some great thoughts in The Gospel in a Pluralist Society. I think this quote says what I was trying to say here — it just happens to say it a lot more clearly:
In discussions about the contemporary mission of the Church it is often said that th…

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-118 john Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:53:59 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-118 Very nice quote Dave, and no rambling either! Very nice quote Dave, and no rambling either!

]]> By: davidTR http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-108 davidTR Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:35:37 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-108 this seemed to fit right here when i read it.. "he who loves his dream of a community more than the Christian community itself becomes a destroyer of the latter, even though his personal intentions may be ever so honest and earnest and sacrificial." -dietrich bonhoeffer, life together this seemed to fit right here when i read it..

“he who loves his dream of a community more than the Christian community itself becomes a destroyer of the latter, even though his personal intentions may be ever so honest and earnest and sacrificial.” -dietrich bonhoeffer, life together

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-104 john Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:54:18 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-104 Dean, I like that... Dean,

I like that…

]]> By: ConK http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-103 ConK Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:09:22 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-103 A quote form Erwin McManus tonight - I almost had him call you on my cell phone tonight, John, except I wouldn't have then been able to hear your voice of suprise on the other end. Anyway, I digress. "We need to love people more than we love our own idea of what church should be like." I'll leave that alone - it seems appropriate to our discussion. A quote form Erwin McManus tonight – I almost had him call you on my cell phone tonight, John, except I wouldn’t have then been able to hear your voice of suprise on the other end. Anyway, I digress. “We need to love people more than we love our own idea of what church should be like.”

I’ll leave that alone – it seems appropriate to our discussion.

]]> By: david the rambler http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-102 david the rambler Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:13:22 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-102 and (i just had an oh yeah moment) i think it is a good idea in our world to define ourselves for better commmunication (thank you e. rosenstock-huessy) im defining relevant as 'able to be understood' im with you john on the idea that somehow we should inpire some sort of jealousy or at least inquisitiveness in the world as far as being a people who offer or show a better (the best) way to live, a more whole experience of life, a more complete perspective/pupose, and or a full-er story. and (i just had an oh yeah moment)

i think it is a good idea in our world to define ourselves for better commmunication (thank you e. rosenstock-huessy)

im defining relevant as ‘able to be understood’

im with you john on the idea that somehow we should inpire some sort of jealousy or at least inquisitiveness in the world as far as being a people who offer or show a better (the best) way to live, a more whole experience of life, a more complete perspective/pupose, and or a full-er story.

]]> By: david the rambler http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-101 david the rambler Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:03:50 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-101 i hope this doesn't sound like double talk but i think it is important to note that we don't need to try and be relevant... I think that we, as groups of disciples with personal struggling worshipful lifestyles based on sacrifice and grace, ARE naturally relevant (maybe a matter of embracing and letting out who we are). 'truth is contemporary in any context or person' -ravi z. i hope this doesn’t sound like double talk but i think it is important to note that we don’t need to try and be relevant… I think that we, as groups of disciples with personal struggling worshipful lifestyles based on sacrifice and grace, ARE naturally relevant (maybe a matter of embracing and letting out who we are).

‘truth is contemporary in any context or person’
-ravi z.

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-97 john Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:15:51 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-97 Deano, I absolutely agree with your response in number 1. My point is simply that being relevant is not enough. Our goal is not to be relevant but to transform. Deano,
I absolutely agree with your response in number 1. My point is simply that being relevant is not enough. Our goal is not to be relevant but to transform.

]]> By: ConK http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2004/09/14/what-does-church-look-like-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-95 ConK Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:03:03 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=25#comment-95 Two thoughts: 1) I agree that the church is focused on relevence simply because it has been accused (and rightly so) of being irrelevent for so long. We have lost our voice in the world. Relevant simply implies that Scripture and the community fo the church really do speak to "real" life as we know it. John, I agree that Christ came to redefine "life" as we know it; however, I think we must be relevant before a skeptical world will hear that message. They have to see Christ touch their reality before they will allow Him to change it. 2) Thoughts on community. I really appreciate your thoughts. I am finally caught up on the blog. Thank you for not throwing out the church with the bathwater (so to speak). I am afraid of what will come with the emerging quest for community in that it seems that community seems to have become the purpose for which people live. The church does not exist for community. Instead, when we see each other through the eyes of Christ, understanding that we are all the same (sinners in need of grace) and are bound by a common purpose (to seek and save the lost), community arises. I believe that the lack of community that people feel is less about structure and more about Christians holding onto the world rather than being transformed by the grace of God. Just my thoughts...thanks for spanking me about reading and not writing. I usually keep my thoughts to myself. Two thoughts:
1) I agree that the church is focused on relevence simply because it has been accused (and rightly so) of being irrelevent for so long. We have lost our voice in the world. Relevant simply implies that Scripture and the community fo the church really do speak to “real” life as we know it.

John, I agree that Christ came to redefine “life” as we know it; however, I think we must be relevant before a skeptical world will hear that message. They have to see Christ touch their reality before they will allow Him to change it.

2) Thoughts on community. I really appreciate your thoughts. I am finally caught up on the blog. Thank you for not throwing out the church with the bathwater (so to speak). I am afraid of what will come with the emerging quest for community in that it seems that community seems to have become the purpose for which people live. The church does not exist for community. Instead, when we see each other through the eyes of Christ, understanding that we are all the same (sinners in need of grace) and are bound by a common purpose (to seek and save the lost), community arises. I believe that the lack of community that people feel is less about structure and more about Christians holding onto the world rather than being transformed by the grace of God.

Just my thoughts…thanks for spanking me about reading and not writing. I usually keep my thoughts to myself.

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