Comments on: tsunami perspectives http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/ theophile | bibliophile | technophile Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:48:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Doug Humphreys http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-763 Doug Humphreys Tue, 04 Jan 2005 05:10:59 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-763 Not to beat a dead horse on this thing, or to feel like I need to be an apologist for Piper, but if you have read any of his stuff - or gave this piece a second read - you would not see that. Piper has been preaching and living out the ideal and call to incarnate Christ through living lives of rubber meets the road mercy to the poor, loving our neighbors irrespective of where they are in thier journey towards Christ (including living in gang infested inner city Minneapolis - not the suberbs as another poster commented) for 20 years or more. I did not see any "Go keep warm and well fed," attidude in anything Piper said. But, if that's what you read in it, that's cool, we all, me most of all, need to be reminded that each of has some of that in us, and anything that gets us off that spot and into living out mercy, then thank God for that. God bless Not to beat a dead horse on this thing, or to feel like I need to be an apologist for Piper, but if you have read any of his stuff - or gave this piece a second read - you would not see that. Piper has been preaching and living out the ideal and call to incarnate Christ through living lives of rubber meets the road mercy to the poor, loving our neighbors irrespective of where they are in thier journey towards Christ (including living in gang infested inner city Minneapolis - not the suberbs as another poster commented) for 20 years or more. I did not see any “Go keep warm and well fed,” attidude in anything Piper said. But, if that’s what you read in it, that’s cool, we all, me most of all, need to be reminded that each of has some of that in us, and anything that gets us off that spot and into living out mercy, then thank God for that.

God bless

]]> By: Gary http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-759 Gary Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:44:46 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-759 First of all, I have to confess that I didn't read all of Piper's article. I tried a couple times, but lost interest. Maybe due to the fact that I have become (as apparetly others already are...)list-ophobic. I did skim it however, and here is why I prefer Wright to Piper (other than the fact that Nick Tom is the man). Their proposed courses of action in response to this tragedy reminded me strikingly of James 2. Piper's solution was simply to feel compassion for those devastated in the tsunami. "Go keep warm and well fed." Wright on the other hand talks about seeing the pain and suffering in the world and becoming involved in the healing efforts. First of all, I have to confess that I didn’t read all of Piper’s article. I tried a couple times, but lost interest. Maybe due to the fact that I have become (as apparetly others already are…)list-ophobic. I did skim it however, and here is why I prefer Wright to Piper (other than the fact that Nick Tom is the man).

Their proposed courses of action in response to this tragedy reminded me strikingly of James 2. Piper’s solution was simply to feel compassion for those devastated in the tsunami. “Go keep warm and well fed.” Wright on the other hand talks about seeing the pain and suffering in the world and becoming involved in the healing efforts.

]]> By: jonwren http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-758 jonwren Tue, 04 Jan 2005 02:18:04 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-758 I guess I wanted both Piper and Wright to come out and say that a disaster like this brings out questions. And the questions that they bring out aren't the type that a 4 point sermonette on God's sovereignty answer. I liked Wright's better because I like Wright. But I do think they both missed an opportunity to talk and really delve into the problem. I guess I wanted both Piper and Wright to come out and say that a disaster like this brings out questions. And the questions that they bring out aren’t the type that a 4 point sermonette on God’s sovereignty answer. I liked Wright’s better because I like Wright. But I do think they both missed an opportunity to talk and really delve into the problem.

]]> By: davidkw http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-757 davidkw Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:16:50 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-757 well, let's be honest here, master wright might never reach the high-caliber bullet point teaching methods of master piper. One has to meet one's audience and communicate accordingly and master wright lives with a bunch of stuffy old erudites in a castle, while piper lives betwixt average scandanavian weirdos in the burbs. :) But, they both point to the fact that life is always much bigger than it seems, especially in the myopia of pain. Im resonating too, but i think my cell phone is just on vibrate. well, let’s be honest here, master wright might never reach the high-caliber bullet point teaching methods of master piper. One has to meet one’s audience and communicate accordingly and master wright lives with a bunch of stuffy old erudites in a castle, while piper lives betwixt average scandanavian weirdos in the burbs. :) But, they both point to the fact that life is always much bigger than it seems, especially in the myopia of pain.
Im resonating too, but i think my cell phone is just on vibrate.

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-756 john Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:26:24 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-756 Fair enough. I re-read Piper's article, perhaps cold and calloused isn't quite the right description to use. I think I was in a stupor after watching a few hours of CNN when I read it, for I somehow missed statements like: "No, it is right to weep with those who suffer. Pain is pain, no matter who causes it. We are all sinners. Empathy flows not from the causes of pain, but the company of pain. And we are all in it together." I think ultimately what I appreciated from Wright's response was that he didn't simply try to boil the it down to "four things we can know to be true about God in light of this crisis." Fair enough. I re-read Piper’s article, perhaps cold and calloused isn’t quite the right description to use. I think I was in a stupor after watching a few hours of CNN when I read it, for I somehow missed statements like: “No, it is right to weep with those who suffer. Pain is pain, no matter who causes it. We are all sinners. Empathy flows not from the causes of pain, but the company of pain. And we are all in it together.”

I think ultimately what I appreciated from Wright’s response was that he didn’t simply try to boil the it down to “four things we can know to be true about God in light of this crisis.”

]]> By: Douglas Humphreys http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-755 Douglas Humphreys Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:24:44 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-755 I resonated with both Write and Piper. Yet, I did not find Piper to be calloused at all. Speaking as someone who has suffered from life threatening illnesss, I relate to the quote by Spurgeon, who suffered greatly and said: "it would be a very sharp and trying experience to me to think that I have an affliction which God never sent me, that the bitter cup was never filled by his hand, that my trials were never measured out by him, nor sent to me by his arrangement of their weight and quantity." We will never understand, nor could we begin to say to those directly effected that we do. Yet what a sweet comfort to know that their is a providential hand at work. I resonated with both Write and Piper. Yet, I did not find Piper to be calloused at all. Speaking as someone who has suffered from life threatening illnesss, I relate to the quote by Spurgeon, who suffered greatly and said: “it would be a very sharp and trying experience to me to think that I have an affliction which God never sent me, that the bitter cup was never filled by his hand, that my trials were never measured out by him, nor sent to me by his arrangement of their weight and quantity.”

We will never understand, nor could we begin to say to those directly effected that we do. Yet what a sweet comfort to know that their is a providential hand at work.

]]> By: Sivin Kit http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/01/02/tsunami-perspectives/#comment-753 Sivin Kit Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:07:52 +0000 http://www.subvergence.org/wordpress/?p=168#comment-753 thanks for the link .. I resonate with this "warm" Wright too! thanks for the link .. I resonate with this “warm” Wright too!

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