Comments on: secular vs profane http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/08/28/secular-vs-profane/ theophile | bibliophile | technophile Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:51:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/08/28/secular-vs-profane/#comment-5946 john Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:21:44 +0000 http://www.somestrangeideas.com/wordpress/?p=341#comment-5946 I think you have a good point. I think God created all, and all has fallen and been corrupted. However, the first priority should be to redeem people I think. They are the main shapers and users of the rest of it. I think you have a good point. I think God created all, and all has fallen and been corrupted. However, the first priority should be to redeem people I think. They are the main shapers and users of the rest of it.

]]> By: Nash http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/08/28/secular-vs-profane/#comment-5945 Nash Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:15:00 +0000 http://www.somestrangeideas.com/wordpress/?p=341#comment-5945 Throw an odd question in here regarding the quote: "It is a matter of looking at everything around us case by case and determining how it can be moved back toward redemption and the original purpose that God created it for." I see this point and I like this point, but how does it work? Should we actually try to redeem *things*, or try to redeem the people who are creating the things? And I assume this is done in a graceful, understanding discipleship, not a crusade-esque adventure of course. Or are we simple trying to redeem and redirect the things that the people create, rather the people or spiritual or not? So is this trying to convert culture, basically? Redeem culture? I know these thoughts are all over the place -- but I'm basically trying to get a more solid grasp on this concept. Throw an odd question in here regarding the quote:

“It is a matter of looking at everything around us case by case and determining how it can be moved back toward redemption and the original purpose that God created it for.”

I see this point and I like this point, but how does it work? Should we actually try to redeem *things*, or try to redeem the people who are creating the things? And I assume this is done in a graceful, understanding discipleship, not a crusade-esque adventure of course. Or are we simple trying to redeem and redirect the things that the people create, rather the people or spiritual or not?

So is this trying to convert culture, basically? Redeem culture? I know these thoughts are all over the place — but I’m basically trying to get a more solid grasp on this concept.

]]> By: john http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/08/28/secular-vs-profane/#comment-5944 john Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:59:14 +0000 http://www.somestrangeideas.com/wordpress/?p=341#comment-5944 Jamie, I think we can't really draw lines of difference. Things that were created by God are sacred to a degree, but everything has been corrupted to a degree as well. It is a matter of looking at everything around us case by case and determining how it can be moved back toward redemption and the original purpose that God created it for. I think, which I probably should have mentioned earlier as well, that there are some things that are just neutral. I think money would fit in this category. It is a manmade tool, and thus it is neither sacred nor corrupt, but can be used for either. Jamie,
I think we can’t really draw lines of difference. Things that were created by God are sacred to a degree, but everything has been corrupted to a degree as well. It is a matter of looking at everything around us case by case and determining how it can be moved back toward redemption and the original purpose that God created it for.

I think, which I probably should have mentioned earlier as well, that there are some things that are just neutral. I think money would fit in this category. It is a manmade tool, and thus it is neither sacred nor corrupt, but can be used for either.

]]> By: jamie http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/08/28/secular-vs-profane/#comment-5943 jamie Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:53:10 +0000 http://www.somestrangeideas.com/wordpress/?p=341#comment-5943 I think that explains why we have labels for media... We need to think critically about sacred and profane--how often they are mixed, how to identify the differences. I think that explains why we have labels for media… We need to think critically about sacred and profane–how often they are mixed, how to identify the differences.

]]> By: Nash http://www.somestrangeideas.com/2005/08/28/secular-vs-profane/#comment-5942 Nash Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:11:12 +0000 http://www.somestrangeideas.com/wordpress/?p=341#comment-5942 Yes, the task of redeeming, and all the things that go with that such as encouragement, love, grace, understanding, and patience; would be a much higher goal for all the Church then labeling, with just seems to produce fear, ignorance, and judgement. Good thoughts, sir. Yes, the task of redeeming, and all the things that go with that such as encouragement, love, grace, understanding, and patience; would be a much higher goal for all the Church then labeling, with just seems to produce fear, ignorance, and judgement. Good thoughts, sir.

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